Showing posts with label Interviews. Show all posts
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Friday, January 11, 2013

Stock Photographer Jon Boyes Interview


This Jon Boyes photo of a gas-fired power plant is one of those all too rare cases of a successful stock shot that also qualifies as art. A big part of it's success is the numerous ways to utilize the image illustrating concepts from "industry" to "jobs" to "global warming".

Jon, can you bring us up to speed on how you got into photography, and stock photography in particular?

I first picked up a camera at age 13 when I was offered the chance to learn how a darkroom worked by our Physics teacher at school. It was a Praktica MTL3. That and some Tri-X and seeing the prints come up in the developer and I was hooked. Cameras gave way to guitars for a long time though - I figured that girls liked guitars more than cameras! But I returned to photography about 20 years ago, and after a couple of years it eventually became my profession.

Around 2003 I was shooting commercial, advertising and editorial images for a range of clients and had just (with trepidation) added digital capture with a Canon D30 (3.1Mp!) which cost an arm and a leg. The Internet was getting bigger and eventually I became aware of Getty, Corbis, Alamy and stock photography in general. I had no experience of stock before then but liked the business model of licensing my work worldwide. I joined Alamy and, purely as a side interest, uploaded a few editorial-based shots, out-of-license shots from some commissions. After a couple of months I landed my first two RM sales for $500. A pair of images destined for a UK sales brochure. I was hooked. The novelty of making money while I slept or did other stuff was too much to resist! So I kept uploading and then started shooting for stock when I had time or when I was out on (or on the way to/from) commissioned work.

You currently participate in stock photography in several ways. Can you go a bit deeper into your various efforts and your reasoning behind those efforts?

A couple of years after joining Alamy, I joined Getty and then Age and a few other exclusive and non-exclusive libraries around. I’m always looking for other ways to market my work. I’m also a bit of a process geek so I kept pretty good stats via spreadsheets on what was selling at the various agencies and it influenced my shooting and placement for each of them, especially the exclusives. Over time, you get a feel for the type of imagery a library is good at selling so I tried to supply that.

I understand that you have been experiencing some significant growth with your stock revenue. Is that true across the board, or with just some of your distribution portals?

I wish it were totally across the board :).  We are up on Getty (with one month to come in) by 11% over 2011 and on Alamy we’re up 40% over 2011. We’ve had increasing sales on Alamy YoY from 2007 – 2012. I’m very pleased with this given the perilous state of the world economy! But of course things can go down as well as up! Like everyone, I’m a bit nervous about the future and I do worry about what’s going to happen. I certainly don’t expect to see these kind of high gains over the longer term – but I’m confident that we’re in a strong position to continue growing, albeit a bit slower!

What do you attribute this success to?

Although stock sales doubled for me in 2006 (over 2005) I was so busy with commissions I really took my foot off the gas and didn’t upload much. Then, in 2007 when the current economic crisis hit us all out of the blue and the phone wasn’t ringing as much, I started to upload again and by the end of 2008 I had increased my stock sales by 150%. Of course, I didn’t have so many images back then!

The difference this time was that I took stock production seriously. I often see people say they dump their second or third ‘tier’ images on such and such an agency and then they say: “This agency is rubbish, they can’t sell my work”. Well, it’s not really such a surprise is it if you’re putting all your old junk on there! I didn’t take that approach. I shot, and continue to shoot, targeted material for each agency.

I looked at Alamy, by far my best performing non-exclusive, and realised that though I was making sales there I was mid-pack in what was then a collection of around 8 million images and climbing rapidly. I thought I should be doing better with the imagery I had placed there. So, along with my partner Sarah, who is a professional copywriter (www.sarahnuttallcopywriter.co.uk) and process geek too, we set about making Alamy’s unique “Alamy Rank” way of handling image keywording and search placements work for us.  I handled the images, reprocessing some of the older ones, and Sarah handled the keywording and research. Then we re-keyworded all of our images… around 3k at that time. At the same time we put new, better-targeted images up, images which we knew buyers were searching for on a daily basis. Steadily, we worked our way up the pack at each re-rank until, in 2009, we were top half of page one and rising. As a result sales followed and continued to increase.

I know that you also have your own, small stock agency, incamerastock (http://incamerastock.com), which you distribute primarily through Alamy.  What led you to creating incamerastock?

To be honest, it was a case of: So what’s next? I’m always looking for something new to do in business! By 2010/11 I was having some very good sales on Alamy and seeing my income from Alamy grow rapidly. A couple of photographer friends who were also on Alamy were surprised and impressed – they just couldn’t seem to make any headway and were buried in the middle/bottom of the pack. By the middle of 2011 I was starting to think: well I’ve got a good rank on Alamy, I’m selling well, so perhaps I can help them do the same and make a go of an agency model. I put together a business proposition and sent it to them and a few others I knew personally who shot stock and who had tried Alamy but never really had success there and that was it, off we went!

My initial idea was to distribute through as many non-exclusives as I could find but after a while it became apparent that based on the ROI I was seeing from my own efforts (which are spread far and wide) it was best to concentrate on Alamy with the non-exclusive material.

The next step for incamerastock is to take on a few more stock shooters and expand. But I never want to get too big. The way it works best for us is to ensure we’ve got time to give everyone individual attention and to work with them. That’s how I’d want to be treated and I think contributors should expect, and receive, that from a small agency. We edit pretty hard and because we must pass Alamy QC I’m a real perfectionist when it comes to processing. I look at every single image at 100% - I treat them exactly the same way as I do my own. Our contributors are a range of people, some shoot only stock and some shoot stock as an addition to other photography work.

How do you choose what to shoot?

We look at what is being used in magazines, to illustrate articles on the web and in advertisements. We also use all the stats available. We shoot for the market and aim to supply it with what it wants, just like any other business. I only started to make good, regular sales once I’d realised that stock was just like any other business supplying a ‘product’ to market, and ditched my art-based photographer’s ego!  That freed me up to shoot the stuff people wanted to buy rather than shooting what I thought was a great. And that really is the crux of the whole thing. Obviously, I started off like all photographers – I wanted to shoot amazing things that would take the breath away. But that’s not stock. So now I always make sure I’m focused on the target audience – the buyer and their customers. I’m not thinking about what I want to shoot, what pushes my buttons – I’m thinking about what they want to buy. I might not think what I’m shooting is the most inspiring thing in the world, but if that’s what the buyer wants then it has value to them and therefore it’s worth doing. If I don’t do it, someone else will.

I tend to keep my compositions fairly simple – I do, yes, shoot cut outs on a white background because they sell but I also try to keep all my concept shots simple and clean. In terms of everything else I just make sure it’s vibrant and appealing. I know that if I’m there shooting it that day then it’s something that there is a market for, so I don’t stress too much.

I assume that since you have to distribute royalties to other photographers you track you sales.  I track all of my stock sales, but find it frustratingly difficult to extrapolate information that can help in shoot better selling imagery. What, if anything, have you been able to determine from examining your sales history?

That it’s not the things you like or expect to sell that actually sell! I track everything and do graphs and charts and the lot. Over time it’s become pretty clear that stock is, well, just stock. Stock is not generally speaking, art. It’s everyday things, streets scenes, travel shots, objects on a white background, basic concepts, lifestyle model-released people shots, animals etc. Most of it is deeply unsexy. I’m not going to tell you my very top repeat sellers but basically they’re highly unsexy too! I’d love it to be the more exciting and inspiring left-field stuff that sells but it just isn’t. Buyers get that shot on commission ;)


You have recently returned to the UK after a couple of years in France. What prompted the move to France, why have you returned to Britain, and how does all of this affect your stock business?

We’d always planned to live abroad at some point – if only for a few years - and after the financial crisis in 2007 we decided to try to sell our house before the bottom fell out. Not really a very sensible move when house prices were crashing! In the end, after losing a fair bit of money, we did sell it and landed in Brittany, France in 2010. The plan was to buy a place there because I can work from anywhere and Sarah’s copywriting business can also operate from anywhere via email.

However, it became pretty clear after about six months of looking at houses that as Brittany is very rural we were going to find it hard to buy a house in a decent condition for our money with the right set-up, the right broadband and the working spaces that we’d dreamt of! Actually, once we’d decided not to buy somewhere it all became great fun! We were renting a huge, newly converted house with excellent broadband speed and a wonderful, fun, landlord who lived next door. So we just decided to stay for a while! And drink a lot of wine!

The move back was really prompted by work. Alamy has a primarily UK customer base – though this is changing rapidly. Plus, I needed somewhere I was truly settled in to shoot more stuff and do CGI work for Getty. So after I’d shot all the cheese, wine, been all over Brittany and taken a few trips further afield in France, I realised I needed to get back to shooting British themed material. Plus I missed ‘real’ beer and fish and chips! Sad, but true. I think also we are just about 10 years or so too young to appreciate the very slow pace of life in rural France and although it’s an amazing place full of wonderful people, food, wine and scenery, it is very quiet compared to the UK. It’s just not time for the pipe and slippers yet!   

Do you participate in, or do you plan to participate in, motion?

No, not at the moment and I don’t really plan to in the short to medium term. I have the ability to shoot it on the DSLRs but I couldn’t tell you how it worked. The reason for this is that I’m not yet convinced that the market is there for motion. I’m not saying it’ll never be there – I think it probably will be eventually. I’m seeing more motion on the web but they seem to be all specific, shot-to-order clips. I’m not seeing much ‘stock’ motion in use and that rings alarm bells. The production of motion is a whole step up from stills time-wise. Essentially, I had a choice in 2009(ish) to dive into motion or CGI and I chose the latter. I also want to concentrate on incamerastock/Alamy and of course my own work with Getty – there’s always a danger of spreading yourself too thin and then not only do you start to stress out but you also cease to give enough attention to the money work – and the money for me is, at the moment at Alamy and Getty. I’m keeping a close eye on motion though!
  
Where do you get your inspiration?

Stats usually! That’s very sad isn’t it! I shoot with a purpose – always. Alamy gives contributors an enormous amount of statistical information and using that, combined with my own sales data, I plan my shoots. Or rather, from that, Sarah plans my shoots! She tells me what type of things buyers are buying and I shoot it. It’s quite clinical really. We have loads of spreadsheets full of lists of things that need shooting and steadily I just tick them off. I never just ‘go out and shoot’, we always plan it carefully – look at what sells in that area of the country or town and do that. Obviously I enjoy a beautiful misty dawn landscape or a fantastic moody black and white portrait as much as the next photographer but unless it’s going to sell as stock I’m not going to shoot it. And generally, for editorial stock, neither of those two things sell.

Do you have any parameters that you maintain in terms of what you shoot for stock?

Yes, I shoot for the market. I’ve shot plenty of art-based personal work over the years but it doesn’t translate to stock. I only ever shoot for a target audience, which in the case of Alamy is mainly magazines and newspapers secondary editorial and for Getty, designers, marketing agencies and ad agencies. We spend a long time thinking and researching on the net as well as using stats to ensure that we’re shooting things that will sell. Stock is not art. We’d all love it to be but it’s just not. The shots that stock agencies hold up as great examples of ‘creative’ stock images – you know the ones: woman standing in a field with yellow box on her head holding a hawk in one hand! That type of ‘creative’ stuff is not, in my experience the type of thing that sells on a regular basis. In fact, in my experience many of these creative images are not the sort of thing commercial buyers actually buy – they are more what we and the stock agencies like to think they buy. And that’s different. But in reality, commercial buyers – designers, ad agencies etc – only buy stock when they can’t commission something or it’s cheaper and more sensible to buy a stock shot. Anyone who has seen the ad agency briefs from ImageBrief over the past few months will know that the requests are rarely that left-field or ‘creative’.

What is the biggest challenge in creating your own “mini” agency?

I think the biggest challenge is the amount of work involved and the back-end workflow process. I think I had visions of it all being a bit of a doddle, just uploading a few more images than I’d done before. But actually, it’s very hard work and because we genuinely like and respect our contributors we go all out to ensure we do the best for them that we possibly can, making sure that we choose the images that are most likely to sell, getting the keywords spot on and managing them on a daily basis – plus of course all the paperwork and the spreadsheet work. But it’s definitely worth it. I actually get a bigger kick out of them selling images than I do out of selling my own! And, conversely, if they don’t sell as many as I’d hoped, I get quite upset. So it can be a rollercoaster ride.  

What about stock photography do find most satisfying?

The money! Is there another answer?! I do love selling images in the middle of the night! After running around all day for clients for years on end, doing exhausting sets of corporate portraits and magazine shoots to deadlines, flogging the folio round etc., waiting months to get paid (!) I do enjoy just only having the money itself to worry about. I also enjoy producing a really good set of images – especially studio or travel. I get a real sense of satisfaction from seeing my images up there on the agencies when they look good. I spend a great deal of time in post processing – I suppose I’m the photographer equivalent of a ‘grammar Nazi’! I am incredibly picky and you will never see any CA or lack of definition or bad histograms or dust spots on my images. I’m a massive perfectionist. I’ve never failed QC at Alamy and as anyone knows, that’s pretty good going! I’m like this I think because I do see stock as a kind of pension scheme! And if they’re as good as they can be now then they have a longer lifespan. And once they are done, they are done for good, so why not make them the best they can be.

What are your thoughts about microstock?

I know lots of people love it and lots of people hate it. I’m neither one nor the other. I don’t do it myself but I have no problem with other people doing it. I think it was a brilliant business model at the start – I’m always looking at things in terms of business – but I think it’s definitely reached its zenith and is falling down the other side. I know the question is really: Has it ruined the stock industry and the answer to that, I think truthfully, is no. If anything, what ruined the ‘good old days’ was that little thing called the Internet. But, you know, if it wasn’t for the Internet most of us stock photographers would still be running around doing commissioned work or down the darkroom with the enlarger breathing in fixer fumes.

What suggestions do you have for those wanting to get into the world of stock photography?

Act like a business person. Don’t shoot what you like and hope it sells, shoot what the market wants. Forget any ego you’ve got, it’s only going to hold you back. There are millions of guys out there that are better than you and they always will be. Learn about stock: go out and buy every magazine on your newsagent’s shelf and look at the photos that go with the articles – ignore the ads with the girls and dresses because those shots are commissioned – they’re not stock. Look at the articles about how to deal with your sulky teenager or where to go on your next holiday or how to save cash on your bills – those are stock – yes, the boring, prosaic ones! And just remember, stock is not art. Businesses and publishers and creative agencies buy stock to illustrate something, a concept or meaning. They’re not buying it to put on their office wall.   

Any suggestions for us jaded pros?

Ha ha! You’re hardly jaded! I think all stock photographers can learn a great deal from you and your attitude to business. If I had one main piece of advice for other established stock photographers – not you – I’d say: please stop going on about how it’s all so unfair. Please stop blaming everyone else for not selling your work. And please drop your egos. The problem with some stock photographers is that it’s all about them. And actually, it’s not. It’s all about the target audience, the buyer, the customer. If you’re not selling, look at what you’re submitting. Is it a stock shot or is it art? Is it well processed – and I mean, REALLY well processed. And finally, is it any good? Is it actually a good photograph?

Also, I think it’s very important that all of us, including the big stock agencies, remember that stock photography is not the only game in town. I think it’s really easy to forget that the majority of buyers, especially the ad agencies, turn to stock for budget reasons. They would much rather commission a unique, bespoke shot than buy one off-the-shelf. Even for editorial, if they had the cash they’d commission someone. And frankly, creative buyers do have a hard time convincing their clients that a stock shot is worth the money. We might think they’re getting it cheap (and sometimes they really are!) but their clients – the end user - will never see it like that. They want David Bailey to turn up with his camera or they want the ad agency to hire a big swanky city centre studio and hire some models from Storm – that’s what they see as ‘real’ photography. Many end users think stock is like going to Walmart or Lidl. So there’s another battle going on there for the stock agencies. So us whining all the time about prices etc. doesn’t take into account the real market forces.

But having said all this, I don’t have all the answers and I do understand the frustration because I feel it too some days. Stock can be a brilliant way to earn a living but it can also be uncertain, irrational and deeply annoying. Some days I love it and some days I absolutely hate it. But I’d rather do it than work for someone else in a city-centre office all day – it’s my choice, so I only have myself to blame if I can’t make it work. And that’s perhaps the moral: start by looking at what YOU are doing and whether you can change it – can you shoot something different, learn a new program, change your style or find new markets. Think like an entrepreneur and don’t be afraid to fail.    

Do you promote your work on the Internet and engage in SEO?

We don’t sell off our own site but I’m not ruling that out in the future. Before I set up incamerastock I had my own Photodeck, site which I loved. Photodeck is brilliant and the SEO is second to none. But unfortunately, because I’m such a generalist and don’t specialise, I found I had millions of visitors to the site but few sales. I think if you’re a specialist then Photodeck is definitely the best thing out there – or in fact if you’re selling direct to established clients. If you are a generalist like me (or should I say now ‘us’!) you’re going to be better off getting your images in front of a warm audience ready to buy, which means using the larger agencies.

What role, if any, does Social Media play in your stock efforts?

I do have an incamerastock twitter account (@incamerastock) but I’m not on Facebook because I, basically, hate the whole data-mining model and I think it has limited appeal for a B2B producer. I’ve never been on it and I never will – plus I can see no proven business benefit.  I think Social Media can be fantastic for the right business – consumer businesses can do very well, but for me, I have no consumer target audience so it doesn’t really feature in my business plans. But, as with everything in business, that might change in the future! I’m on Linked-in under my personal account ‘jonboyes’.

How would you like to see the stock industry evolve?

I’d like to see it evolve into something that makes me very rich but I don’t think that’s going to happen! I think it’s going to become a volume industry – one where the reduction in price is countered by the increase in sales. That’s certainly the way it seems to be going right now. In the long term, who knows. Possibly it’ll eat itself. Perhaps in 100 years’ time people will not be able to understand the concept that when you press the shutter (or whatever it is then) you own the copyright. But I doubt it.

I think my gut instinct is, talking as a Brit, that it will keep on growing and that as developing countries become richer and the middle-classes expand in the emerging nations there will be even more demand for images. One day soon it’s likely that people in developing nations will have extremely high disposable incomes and, as we're seeing a bit of in the UK at the moment, British/European/Western things will become the cool things to have and they will be the cool places to visit for millions more people. And that will have a knock-on effect in terms of selling Western-based images. But also, the market for images of Asia, the Middle East and Latin America is definitely growing so stock shooters based there have an advantage and that advantage is going to grow.

In terms of what’s going to happen to agencies – well I think it’s already obvious that there are three main players in macro-stock: Getty, Corbis and Alamy. This isn’t going to change. It’s too late now. These are the main players and eventually they could be the only players.

How do you decide whether an image should be an RM or an RF image?

Traditionally, I’ve favoured RM because Alamy is currently an editorial portal for editorial clients – but that may change as their market share grows and evolves, so I am making an effort to put more RF on Alamy and mark images as RF more frequently where there’s a choice. With Getty I’ve had great success with my RF work, recently much more so than my RM work, so I’m concentrating on that – usually I shoot concepts with a bit of CGI thrown in.
 
How is that CGI effort working out?

Slowly. Anyone who has ever tried CGI will tell you how exhausting and disheartening it can be. It’s like learning a programme similar to Photoshop but about 1000 times bigger and more complex. But I’m encouraged by the success I’ve had in terms of sales and I think I’m over the worst part of the learning curve now after about three years off and on. But some days I do still want to kick its teeth in!

For those of us interested in adding CGI to our bag of tricks, and tips…or words of warning?

See above! It’s very, very difficult. I’m very computer program literate but I find it hard work. However, it’s a brilliant feeling when it works out – as long as you don’t mind waiting overnight to find out whether that an image has rendered OK and you’ve not missed something really important like the bottom of the toy house you’ve created is actually sticking halfway through the ‘studio’ floor or the balls you’ve carefully balanced on top of each other that looked fine are actually three inches apart! That’s the trouble with CGI, you can do things you can’t do in real life! You are totally in control of the physics and the light - it’s a photographer’s dream really!

Can you share a favorite stock image of yours and the story behind it?

This (image at top of blog) is a shot of a gas-fired power station and I’ve chosen this shot because, despite what I’ve said in this interview, there are times when stock can be art! It doesn’t happen often but this shot is a happy example of an image that is both stock and art. I love this shot because it shows how amazing these places can be – how powerful, literally, and in a way quite beautiful.

I was commissioned by a European ad agency to go and shoot this particular power plant way back in 2008. When I was driving towards the site it loomed up in front of me through the mist and rain and my first thought was: OMG, how on earth am I going to make this place look any good! It was an awful day and anyone who has ever been, even to the surroundings of a power plant or oil refinery, will know that these places are not photogenic – and that’s putting it nicely!

But once inside I had a great time on my tour of the site and the weather improved a little. The people were brilliant and I got access to loads of great shooting positions. On my return, I downloaded the shots and even though it looked OK I thought I really had to do something to make it look more interesting. I’ve shot quite a few industrial sites over the years so I knew that sometimes the only thing you can do is to break the cardinal rules of editorial stock and grunge it up!

This shot has been a big seller over the years and that’s not because I grunged it up, it’s because it illustrates global industry so well. It sells when people do articles on energy, power, utilities, jobs, engineering, exporting, technology, climate change – you name it - and sells for textbooks. That’s the thing about stock, an image will sell if it has a purpose and conveys a message, and this one does.   

Stock shooter and agency owner Jon Boyes. Image ©Jon Boyes

What does your “crystal ball” tell you about the future of stock?

It’s here to stay and it’s got a bright future. Seriously! I’m very optimistic. The Internet means that more buyers want images than ever before. Plus there’s growing expectation in terms of what people expect to see when they read a magazine, go to a website or read a newspaper online. They expect to see lots of images on that site. And that means that buyers are under pressure to publish more and more images – it’s a kind of vicious circle. But it’s a circle we can all benefit from.    
Any thoughts you would like to leave us with?
Yes. Keep Calm and Carry On!

personal website: www.jonboyes.com
incamerastock: http://incamerastock.com


Friday, August 31, 2012

From Tradtional to Microstock: Cristian Baitg Interviewed


 Self portrait by photographer (and bargain model) Cristian Baitg.
How did you come to be a professional photographer…and how did you end up shooting stock?
Well, after finishing my studies in Journalism I began freelance work as a reporter. Soon after, I founded a small business with another partner with the intention to keep doing photojournalism stories. To stay afloat we started to do events photography, which I didn't like too much, so I went on my own again. I started to work as a location scout for the advertising industry. Barcelona is a fabulous city with lots of diversity in a very short distance range, an appreciated quality by the production companies from all over the world that come here to shoot their commercials.
Eight years ago I started to send some images, basically travel images, to some stock agencies and slowly started to learn about this new opportunity. After joining Getty Images my revenue escalated fast and I began to wonder if I could live from this alone. This final step was done two and a half years ago and here I am.
I see that you were once a journalist. I too started out to be a writer, and now over thirty years later I can look back and appreciate how my literary education helped my photography. How has your journalism background influenced your photography career?
Today I am a photographer because I started the journalism degree pushed by an idealistic view of the profession. I wanted to be a reporter in turbulent countries and change the world with my pen. I remember that in my third year of university a friend showed me how to develop film and paper in the dark room. I was so in awe when I saw an image slowly forming from a blank paper inside the developer that I knew from that moment that the pen had lost forever against the camera.
I studied photojournalism along side my university studies (as weird as it seems, at that time there were no photojournalism classes in all of the university courses). When I graduated as a journalist I did what I ever wanted to do, that is, explaining stories in pictures around the globe. Now I am a stock photographer but in my heart and soul I will always be a photojournalist, though the way to financially support yourself and family with this route is much tougher than stock has ever been for me. Slowly my stock career is funding again that kind of photography, without the financial pressure I once had to deal with.
Another point that has influenced and helped my photography a lot is curiosity, a basic instinct that constantly wants you to know more and more. It's what's journalism is all about, to find the right answers. This maxim has built my way of thinking and searching until this day.
Where do you get your inspiration and ideas from?
From everywhere. I love seeing all kinds of images from online magazines to photography groups/sites, social media pages, the websites of other photographers stock sites, documentaries, films...I am a compulsory image consumer. 
Can you share your approach to doing a stock shoot (how you prepare, a little about your work flow and that sort of thing)?
In reference to studio sessions, once I settle on a subject I let my brain roll to come out with all kinds of images around this theme and write those down in a list. I know that many more will come once I am in the middle of the session, but those initial ideas are a good guide for my shoot. Next is the buying phase, which I hate, and where I have to find all those props needed for the shoot. When I have all the material together I photograph them in my studio. Then I do all the editing, post processing, key wording and uploading myself.
When I do travel photography I research the country where I am going and try to locate the clichés of that country/city (skylines, landmarks, etc.) that will hopefully recover my investment.  Once I have tracked and photographed those, I feel much more free to photograph what I want in the destination without the financial pressure. For example, in a trip to Hong Kong last year I photographed for two days the night horse races, which is a very big and stunning event in this city. Those images are still unpublished as I cannot send them anywhere because of the lack of releases, but I had already captured other parts of the city that will hopefully cover my visit there. I don't regret for one second to have taken those images even if I knew they would not bring a single dime in the more immediate future.
In this new era of stock photography it can be important to keep production expenses down. How do you manage to get the most for you money out of a shoot?
Nowadays, more than ever, I believe this is the key point for being successful. The explosion of supply, and the downward price pressure that has come with it, has cut budgets to the bone. A few years ago I moved with my family to a small town 35 minutes from Barcelona.  Once here I could rent a much cheaper studio that would never been possible in an expensive city like Barcelona. That has been the first and most important step to keep costs down. My biggest expenses are props, but once I decide to concentrate on a subject I try to maximize those props with different ideas. 
I understand that you started photographing “traditional” stock for Getty, but more recently have put your efforts into microstock.  Can you share what motivated you to transition to microstock?
I entered Getty through the Lifesize collection and was later offered a PC contract. At the beginning it was great as the return per investment, including the placement fee (with Getty PC a photographer is largely unedited, but pays a fee for each image included), was quite fast but this deteriorated very quickly and as I shoot a lot, the risk was growing, the upfront fees were becoming a barrier and the rpi (return per image) fell too much and too quickly, so I started to look for other options. I was intrigued by micro and some numbers in blogs and forums made me jump in and test the waters. At first the results were not that spectacular but I wanted to see if this would change by going “exclusive”. If that didn't work out I would have quit, but that was not the case and from there on the growth has been quite impressive.
I recently heard that you now earn over twelve times as much with iStockphoto as you do with Getty. Is that accurate? Can you share with us some of the factors that have gone into that change?
This number has resulted because the last month I had the worst month I remember since many years in Getty vs. an average month in Istock. For this growing difference between my Getty and iStock income a few factors come into play. For the last two and a half years since I jumped into the micro arena I have produced very few images for Getty and concentrated all my efforts on Istock. I now have 4 times as many images in Istock compared to Getty, although many more similars too. Istock prices have increased substantially since I started, while on Getty the contrary has happened. Another point is the percentage I get in every agency. I am now at 40% in Istock and 20% in RF and 30 %RM (40% home country) in Getty. So even if I have the opportunity to send free images to Getty RF I prefer to send those to Istock as I see a recoup of investment much faster.  And then comes the most important factor that can break or succeed any portfolio, but is also the most elusive one: the image placement algorithm. We all know that the best image placed on page 10 on any given search result is a dead fish. Those rankings are difficult to analyze because it's kept secret so that nobody tries to beat the system, and also because the algorithms change a lot. It might be that iStock gives me a better ranking to my images than Getty. I remember that when I became exclusive with iStock, when a ranking boost is applied to the new exclusive contributor images, my earnings multiplied by eight in the next month, part of this is better commissions and higher prices and part of this better placement.
What is the average amount that you receive from an iStockphoto download?
The average net amount I receive now from an iStock download is $5.50. This depends on where you stand in iStock. Vetta and Agency shooters have a much higher average while non-exclusives have a much lower one.
You now have over 5000 images on iStockphoto, which you created over a span of less than three years. You are amazingly prolific!  How do you manage to create so many images?
Hahahaha. No secret here...working, working, working. But the kinds of images I submit to iStock are quite simple to craft and I also send lots of similars that quickly brings the total number up. 
Do you have any concerns, in producing so many images, that you are “cannibalizing” yourself?
No doubt this happens a lot, but regarding similars, it has been my experience that although there is usually one of the lot that stands out and gets many more sales than the others, my approach has been that I don't know which will be the one that hits the jack pot. I get surprised over and over again, so I am more prone to sending too many than the opposite. Also, because of composition and copy space orientation, buyers can pick up whichever image best suits their needs. And when I repeat a successful image or concept with slight variations I’d rather "cannibalize" my own sales than have another photographer do it. Of course, this system of work comes at a price. As your sales become more diluted among a set of similars it's more difficult for one image of the set to increase in ranking (because of number of sales) and get a better search placement. Here we are again with the dilemma of what's better: One image in page 1, or 20 similars spread out in farther pages. No doubt the best is to have one image that stands out on page one with a lightbox that links to all the other similars. That is what I always try to accomplish…not an easy task.
You have images with Getty and iStockphoto.  Are your images represented elsewhere, or do you plan to add more agencies?
My images are now with Getty Istock and all the partner sites of the Getty conglomerate. As an Istock exclusive I cannot send any RF images to the competition. But I plan to market content as RM in the future. Mostly editorial content that I cannot move because I don't have an editorial contract with Getty and the restrictions of iStock editorial collection that are quite tight (for example, I cannot submit any editorial image taken inside any property without a release).
Do you license any of your own stock photos?
Not now, but if I try to sell those editorial images I might try to sell direct via a platform like Photoshelter.
What do you think it takes to be successful in microstock?
Different approaches succeed in the microstock arena. There are photographers that spread their images across dozens of micro agencies. You don't get the exclusive benefits that some agencies offer but on the other side you can sleep much better at night because if an agency underperforms for whatever reason you are still covered by all the others. Then there are photographers like me that prefer to be exclusive with one of the two micro leaders because a variety of incentives that include: Priority in image placement; Higher prices; Higher commissions; A variety of image collections with different price points; And the time you save in complying with a specific set of rules instead of satisfying a variety of requirements of other agencies (time which you can use to create new images).
In iStock you see photographers that are not volume prolific but create more creative images for the top collections (Vetta and Agency) and do very well. Then there are people that although are not creating for those top collections, are able to produce best sellers and achieve many thousands of downloads with fewer images.
My approach is to supply a variety of subjects in good amounts and it's a strategy that is also working quite well. Nevertheless, I am well aware that only a tiny minority is able to make a living from microstock. Although possible, it is quite tough to succeed with micro.
What would you change about microstock if you could?
Contrary to what many microstock shooters believe, I think the policy of Istock regarding different collections with different price levels is absolutely right. I would introduce even more. There are images that because of execution or rarity are worth much more than the present top collections value them, and there are others that because of repetition could be priced even lower. I would also like more price segmentation in the editorial collections because of the same reasons stated before.
Better filtering of images would also be good. With millions of images it is increasingly difficult to be seen, and I think all those images that don't sell (I have plenty of them) should disappear. Of course some amazing pictures could be lost this way, but all in all, the collection would be much stronger than it is now. 
Do you think it would be wise for other traditional stock shooters to shoot for microstock?
It depends.... You need to sell an image many times to make it work. Rare images, or those with low demand, are not going to pay the bills in micro.  If you create high demand images it works very well because the market reach in volume of customers is much more powerful than any macro agency, Getty included. If you are not into this kind of imagery I think macro is a much better option.
Do you think one needs to shoot differently for microstock than for traditional stock?
Yes, absolutely. In traditional stock, especially RM, you can take many more risks and experiment more. A low interest subject well crafted might sell once and return 20 times what you invested in it. That's simply not possible in micro. There is a good reason why those agencies are overstuffed with cliché images and Getty is still much more diverse.
Have you had any problems with other photographers copying your material?
Yes, it happens because the sales data are available to anyone and everyone. I like Getty much better in this aspect where this sales data is kept private.
Do you still shoot assignments?
No, and I am very happy about it. It's been two and a half years since I quit my job as a location scout, always working on deadlines and without the freedom to organize my time, something that is invaluable to me. I will not go back to assignments unless I have to.
Are you involved in social media, and if so, in what ways?
Not from a business perspective. Of course I have personal accounts in the most known ones to stay in touch with friends, and I even have a photography page in Facebook where I post more news related to photojournalism and social photography than stock, but I have to dig deeper in the future. I strongly believe in social media.
How important is your web site to your business?
Embarrassed to say it but have not updated it for years now.  In my case I don't think that my selling power in stock increases with a better website because my stock work until now has been too generic, and as I also don't do assignments it would be not efficient to spent too much time on my web.
That doesn't mean I consider web presence secondary for photographers at all. I know you spend a lot of time with your website, but you also have very unique images that can be promoted for visibility to later get the sale through one of your distribution channels.  For specialized photographers, or those with a very unique body of work, continuous Web development and optimization might well be a necessity.
As I am growing my editorial collection, and if I start to sell directly, I am thinking about showcasing it on a new redesigned web site.
Several of my photographer friends have indicated that the higher price-point stock offerings such as iStockphoto’s Vetta and TAC (The Agency Collection) have really boosted their revenue, and yet many microstock photographers have been unhappy about the rising microstock prices.  What has been your experience in this regard?
The problem is not one of rising prices. The problem is to set the right price for each image. If you ask the customer to pay 15$ of an isolated apple it might be a fortune considering that there are much cheaper options, but some images from Elena Vizerskaya among other great microstockers, are a bargain for 100$ or 200$. And I think the buyers are well aware of that.
When I look at your body of work I am struck by the diversity you have.You shoot people, landscapes, travel, food, animals and concepts.  Do you think part of your success is due to your versatility?
Since I entered stock photography I have experimented a lot to understand what sells and what returns I can expect on different subjects and themes, and after all this time I am beginning to get a clearer picture about what succeeds in this game. My versatility is a strong and weak point at the same time. Strong, as I am not exposed to one subject or style (and if the demand of these decreases I have always other images to offer), and weak in a way that as your knowledge and skill about a given area is more limited than the specialized competition, it's much harder to stand out in those areas. I can tell you that what I really love, and would like to specialize in is photographing real people in real environments. But right now the returns I am seeing from this type of photography are not enough to concentrate in this direction, although I am getting closer.
I also noticed that you can be pretty thorough at covering a given subject…how important is that approach in microstock?
Regarding similars, if your shoots are not post-processing intensive, giving alternative points of view and a variety of compositions to your potential buyers is a fast and easy thing to accomplish. Once you purchase props or use models, why not make the most out of it? I have seen similar images where one has sold 100 times more than the other when the differences between the images were really minor. As I don't know beforehand which version will sell the best I send a wide selection in. I always have time to delete later those that don't work well.  In macro the similar policy is much stricter and the ability to delete images later more complicated. In the case of RM images, too many similars dilutes the value of exclusivity.
I have always valued my stock career as a lifestyle as well. Looks like you might be doing the same thing. Do you choose a destination with shooting stock in mind, or shoot stock at whatever destination you happen to reach?
Mostly the second option. I choose my destinations because I have a personal interest in them and from this point I try to make the best out of it. For me travelling and seeing the world has been, and is, a basic need. Until now it represents a small fraction of my revenue but I would like to expand and grow it more. I see my studio work more like my daily job, while when I hit the road with the camera it's another thing, a mixture of personal search and satisfying my innate curiosity. The business side of the equation is not that important. But as my intent is to dedicate more time to travel I will have to take more attention to this later part. I definitely agree that stock is a lifestyle. Of course there is a lot of work, but in some way you feel so free to be on your own, with nobody above you to tell you what to do. I think this style of life is very close to what I would define as ideal.
Do you have any plans to get into motion stock?
Not in the near future. I enjoy still images too much to change to motion and also I see the learning curve for motion as quite steep. To master this medium is amazingly difficult. So I am not ready for this move yet.
What is the one most important piece of advice you could give stock photographers?
To experiment and try different approaches all the time. We are in such a fast paced world that what worked yesterday doesn't work anymore today and the adjustment we make now might not work tomorrow.  When I look back at my first CD Rom sent to a stock agency eight years ago, to where I am now, I realize I have tried many things and most of them didn't work out the way I expected. I am sure that in a few years my situation will have turned upside down again.
The future of stock photography…are you optimistic or pessimistic?
It's also a bit of both though I want to believe that the music is still going to be played for a long time until the Titanic sinks. Competition is fierce, true, but image demand is bigger by a huge margin than has ever been before.  At some point this huge supply will just level off. There are some types of images that are out of reach by the vast majority of stock producers and will always have buyers. Your amazing work is a perfect example of this. The more simple images that many are producing had and still have huge revenues, taking into account their simplicity, but the high returns for these kinds of images might not happen again. That system is still working now, but at some point it will not, and many photographers will throw in the towel if they have not found an area where they excel. So for now, generalists are still doing great, but I truly think that the future will be for the specialists.  So my clock is already ticking.
Another point of concern is the concentration of the stock industry. With libraries having millions of images it is very difficult for newer alternatives to gain enough traction to rise to the benefit both buyers and artists. If the few large players of the market merge together at some point (and with huge investment groups moving the strings behind the curtains), it will not be good for us.
In any case, the infancy of Internet makes it very difficult to predict the future. Tomorrow something new might again shake the established system so I am much more focused on the present.
Can your share a favorite image and the story behind it?

                               Photo©CristianBaitg
1001 Night Tales: The Sultans last fight
I will always remember this image because I hit my head during the photo shoot, not from falling off of the flying carpet, but because in the stress of the shoot I knocked my head against the counterweight of my boom… a very painful experience!
I have, from early childhood, loved fantasy and science fiction books, comics, and films and always wanted to photograph a fantasy-oriented subject.  Once I decided that sultans and flying carpets were the chosen theme I begun solving the problems for the session.
The first thing was to get the full moon. I rented a 500 f4.5 and a Canon 7D (for the 1.6x) and waited for the perfect night. I remember going up to the Turo de l'Home, the highest mountain around Barcelona at 1712 meters. When I arrived at the top at 3:00 am I was surrounded by clouds and obviously totally alone. As the atmosphere was quite creepy and the clouds didn't dissolve I decided to go down again, disappointed.  But when I arrived at the base of the mountain the sky opened up for some minutes so I stopped the car, quickly set up the tripod and I was able to get the needed picture.
The models were easy, my father and I. I knew my mother was not going to be happy seeing an image of my father trying to stab me but…we are both Mediterranean so our darker skins could fit into the characters, we were gratis, and if you see my portfolio, I use a lot of family members or friends. I feel more comfortable and have a great time with them. We posed against a white background to be cut out later.
The outfits were partly rented and partly bought. At first giving the flying carpets movement gave me some problems. I tried using an industrial fan but it did not have enough power to move the carpets, then tried attaching the borders with nylon strings while two people were moving them, which didn't work either. Finally we just threw them up in the air while I was taking the shots. As usual, the simplest solution worked the best.
The final integration was long as I masked models and carpets out manually and (voila!) got the final fight between two rival sultans under the light of the moon. I really enjoyed this session, and the pictures that came out of it, and would love to repeat with more fantasy oriented ideas, though they have not been as successful with revenue as other more mundane subjects I have done.

To see more of Cristian's work:

cristianbaitg.com

Cristian's work at Getty

Cristian's work at iStockphoto

Thanks Cristian!




Saturday, October 8, 2011

Annabelle Breakey Shoots Starbucks And More


Annabelle Breakey in her San Francisco Studio.

Annabelle Breakey Interview:

I first met Annabelle Breakey when, as a nineteen year old photography student, she came to my studio looking for assistant experience.  Here we are, some two decades later, and Annabelle has just completed a campaign for Starbucks in additions to well-known names such as Sunset Magazine, Beringer, Glade, Silk Pure Almond, Sharpie, and Lindsay Olives.  She has just opened a brand new San Francisco studio, and is prepping for shoots in India, Africa and Central America.       

Recently I caught up with Annabelle and realized that her story would be both interesting and instructive for photographers everywhere…in these times you just can’t get enough success stories!

Annabelle, how did you wind up in the photography business anyway? 

As a kid, I was always making things: Pineapple Upside Down Cake, forts, painting, sewing little craft projects, you name it.  In preschool, I was a big fan of painting macaroni and gluing it to paper plates and applying lots of glitter.   My Mom had the courage to take me on a tour of art schools after high school and  that opened the door for me to be an artist instead of having a more traditional career.  Once settled into college at San Jose State University, and having found myself to have taken all of the photography classes they offered, I realized I needed to go to a school that would give me the skills I needed to actually make a living with the craft.  My dad made me write a business plan for my career as a photographer before he would approve of my career choice.  This may have been the single best experience one can do for a young mind.  This simple exercise oriented me in a direction to succeed in photography.

It was really fun to walk into Starbucks and see your photos everywhere.  Can you share with us how that assignment came to be? 

Oddly, Jodi Morrison, the Senior Art Buyer for Starbucks, met my agent in LA at a LeBook event, which is primarily for fashion photographers and stylists.  I did not know until I went up to Seattle and visited my new creative friends at Starbucks HQ and saw one of my OLD, old, old promos, tacked to Jodi’s wall that she had been aware of me.  Wow.  How cool is that?  We send out promos in what seems like a vacuum and sometimes it works. Imagine that?
©Annabelle Breakey Some of Annabelle's recent  work for Starbucks.

You work closely with veteran rep, Deborah Ayerst. How do you and Deborah work together? 

I love Deb.  She’s kind of crazy, really cool, totally out there and works insanely hard… and knows EVERYONE.  We talk almost every day… way more than I talk to any of my family.  She has great ideas and I produce more and have much bigger dreams with her in my life.  I think I owe a lot to her as I push my self very hard.  She’s a tough critic and doesn’t sugar coat anything so, I have developed as an artist quite a bit with her influence.  We come up with a variety of marketing strategies and we try to come up with new ways of making connections.  Deb travels a lot to different cities and each month there are new goals and things to achieve.  I have done a lot this year and have met some new and incredible creatives.  Done some really nice work.  It’s very exciting.

I know you shoot a lot of food. What else is in your repertoire?   

I love shooting food, of course.  I love the subject matter, the stylists the whole cycle of life thing.  Taking care of the planet and all that goes with food.  I have been shooting for over 20 years, so I have a pretty wide spectrum of subjects that I’ve shot over that time.  I started out doing digital collages for business to business, high tech and financial institutions.  Pretty much right when I got out of school, I had clients such as Visa, Citibank, PG&E, Montgomery Securities and Microsoft.  It was the Nineties, Photoshop had recently come out and it seemed everyone wanted it.  I had this really great mentor, John Lund.  That handsome guy.  You heard of him? (Aww shucks…).

What do you enjoy shooting most?  

Ahhh…  I think this may make my rep insane, but I love crazy travel photography: Getting out of my comfort zone and taking my 35’s to distant lands where there is no tourist infrastructure.  I am putting together a ‘personal’ web site of this work now.  I am trying to work that aspect into my regular commercial work some how.  Don’t get me wrong.  I love my studio and my business, but out there, it’s all up to you to make great images.  It’s really hard and very satisfying when I make something more than personally memorable.

It seems like everyone is jumping into motion. Do you have plans to move in that direction? 

I’ve tried it.  It’s a lot of work and doesn’t pay as well.  I’ve decided that it’s a whole other job and requires a whole different skill set.  I’ve decided that I’ve got my hands full with photography alone as I am super prolific and want to be impactful with what I am doing.

Annabelle, you have been shooting professionally for a long time. How do you keep motivated…what really inspires you? 

I surround myself with very inspiring people and get inspired by traveling to other places to learn about new cultures including my own.  I just got back from Kansas City and came into ‘knowing’ of authentic barbecue.  Will head to New York to hit the gallery scene and some new restaurants at the end of October.  Just to keep fresh.  Then I’m off to Central America to shoot “farm to market” and then India for indigenous culture and a sacred holiday.

What is your “secret” of success? 

I work my ass off and I love what I do.  Have you seen my blog?

I have had the privilege of seeing you work more than once, and it always struck me that on your shoots it seems like everyone is having fun. Do you do anything in particular to insure that experience, or does it just happen?

I hire fun people.  It has to be fun.  If it’s not fun, I can’t do it.  I do get nervous and that’s not fun.  The work usually suffers for it though, so if I feel the nerves coming on I over prepare. Then, it all works out OK.  Afterwords I really hope they hire me again because it will be oh so much more fun the second time around!

Tell us about your marketing efforts. Are you using an array of source book ads, direct mail, email and social media? 

Yes, all of the above.  We come at marketing from all different angles.  The best, best, best marketing tool is me.  Becoming personally interested in working with specific people on specific accounts and seeking them out. I call it “looking for my people”. I love working with great people and making great work that is mutually inspiring.  I love being a team player and offering solutions (sounds so cheesy!).  I’ve heard that all work comes from a conversation.  I try to create conversations and make new friends that are of like minds.  Communication is everything.  I find communicating in person is the best so I try to do that as much as possible.  That and having rockin’ work that they will enjoy looking at ;).

How do you show your book? 

I have several iPads that get sent around.  Mostly, people look at my web site and blog.  The blog is a more complete picture of who I am, the web site is more of a show place.  More and more, I create custom pdfs for people that have certain projects in mind.  I have such a huge archive, it’s pretty easy to pull together a custom presentation.

You have told us how closely you work with your rep Deborah on marketing, do you also have a regular team you rely on when you are shooting? 

Yes, I have several freelancers that I work with often.  My newest favorite team member is helping me with the blog and archive.  She’s a wiz with social media and is very helpful as I don’t have much time for that part of the marketing effort.  I also have an operations manager who helps me with big picture stuff for running a business.  She helps keep me on track to delegate the stuff that needs to be delegated and so I can stay focused on creating new work and developing new relationships as well as nurturing existing clients.

I would be remiss if I didn’t ask you about your participation in stock photography. How does stock fit into your photography business?  

I go through phases with stock.  When I am busy with commercial assignments, stock gets pushed to the back burner.  When things are slow, I start planning big shoots.  I have a couple of fun shoots coming up, where some clients have given some nods of interest.  If it doesn’t work out for them, I’ll market them through a stock agency.  My stock earnings over the years certainly have filled in the gaps.  I really do wish I produced more though….

What advice can you give photographers just embarking on their careers?  

Work hard and work smart.  Surround yourself with the best talent and mentors/ contemporaries with experience as you can.

Can you share a favorite image of yours and the story behind it?   

Many many many images…  So many of them mean so much to me for different reasons.  This is why I started my blog.  My motivation is to be completely truthful, transparent and honest and hopefully interesting.  We’re all the same, kind of?  www.annabellebreakey.com/blog

I see you use natural light a lot. Can you share your approach to using light? 

Light needs to be shaped.  Natural light is only different to studio light in color spectrum.  Both need to be shaped and both have different advantages and create different textures on subjects.  I love both for this reason.

Is there one piece of equipment you couldn’t live without? 

So many!  Top 5: My 4x5, loupe, level, computers, Canon 5d MarkII’s.

What is the biggest challenge for your business right now? 

Getting more of it.

What is your favorite part of being a commercial photographer? 

Sounds silly, but I love working with and providing images for big consumer clients.  I love a challenge and love, love, love contributing to their campaigns and creating work for them.  Hello Starbucks?  How fun is it to have my pics in 16,000 stores all over the world.  My mom is very proud.

Annabelle, I had the fun experience of picking up a rather tempting looking cookbook in a bookstore one day, and lo and behold you were the photographer. Can you share with us your take on shooting for books?

I love shooting cookbooks.  Especially ones that are written by authors who have something really new and interesting to share.  I love a big project that creates an opportunity for a crew to work together for a week or three.  I am excited for the publishing world, even though everyone is freaked out that paper is going out of style.  I look at this digital transition as if we are in another “industrial” revolution.  Never has there been a bigger need for content and opportunity for different mediums to fulfill.  We are just in the infancy and the publishing platforms will sort them selves out.  People still need and want content that is interesting and useful.  That will never go away.  Its just getting more interesting and the users are getting more complex with the new needs.  This makes us all better content providers.  I rise to this challenge.

Do you shoot personal projects…and if so, do you have any projects your working on now? (If you want to run a photo or two here we can). 

Until my personal site is up and running, you can check out a gallery at www.annabellebreakey.com/travel

Is there anything I forgot to ask you? 

Who has been my most influential mentor?  John Lund.  Hands down.  Is it ok to talk about you in the third person?  He’s kind of goofy sometimes, but has a heart of gold.  I met John very young in my career and I’m very fortunate to have had him as an influence at such a young age.  He has always been there for me to lend an ear to listen and share life experiences and has been a great influence on my photography career.  His approach to every situation has been through kindness, care and humor.  Not a bad way to be in life.  He’s seen me through many phases and economic cycles.  There have been a few years where we have not spoken and then many years where we chatted almost every day. Though we differ with the kind of photography we do, at the core, John has been quite influential in making me a better photographer.  I’m a huge fan.

Thanks Annabelle, and you have always been an inspiration to me and what a pleasure it is to be able to share your success story!

Annabelle Breakey Photography
1250 Missouri St No. 205
San Francisco, CA 94107
studio: 415.495.0930
cell: 415.314.9213
http://www.annabellebreakey.com/
http://annabellebreakey.com/blog/

Agent: Deborah Ayerst
415.567.3570
http://www.debayerst.com



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